I run almost exclusively a 3-point Molly. Let me give you some of my perspectives then feel free to ask any questions. If you remember one thing about 3-point Molly, know that it is volatile. It can take less than 10 rolls on a $5 3/4/5 to eat through a $250 bank roll. The ‘5 Count Craps Strategy' was initially developed by Dr. Don Catlin, Professor Emeritus of Mathematics at the University of Massachusetts and was later given prominence by Frank Scoblete, a professional craps player.The 5-Count Strategy is used on random rollers at the craps table to ‘qualify the shooter' to determine if you're going to place. These 3-point molly craps are like roulette games so once the player wins the table then it is very easy to pick up and they can change the flow of a game. Some people think having a skill is very important in molly craps but no skills are required because shooting the dice is not a big one the only thing the player need is maximum betting. Follow with a don't come until you have 3 points working for you. If a point is lost, make another don't come (keeping 3 points up at all times) I've been running this approach with a $200 bankroll, using $10 bets. Once at $400, I increase my initial bets to $20. 3 Point Molly is a craps strategy designed to allow players to keep wagers low, while increasing the potential for payouts. That isn't to say this is a low-cost strategy and we'd recommend this to players with a decent level of craps experience and a high bankroll. This advanced craps strategy works as follows.
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I know it's good to have 10x your average bet, so I figure I can have around $20 on the table at a time. For a warm or hot table I like to do PL with 1x odds and then $6 6 and 8. I take 4 hits and then start pressing out and then up with a take/press progression. If a point is hit I'll take 2-3 hits then continue the press where I left off. Its been pretty fun.
But I need something for when the table is cold that works with my bankroll. I've tried a few and had success with good luck (for me anyone, sorry light siders) but the bankroll requirements are often too high. Lately I've been thinking of doing a $5 Don't pass with 1x odds and placing the 6 and 8 for $6. Two hits and I take them down and wait for the 7/point to be made, then repeat. I really only intend to use this when the table is cold and there are a lot of seven outs. Advice on this? Any suggestions for any other systems to play with while the table is cold on the cheap?
Thanks!
So currently my buy ins for craps are about 200 bucks and I play twice a month. I used to play with a lot more. Starting out I liked 3 point molly with full 5x odds on a $5 table, even taking it up to 10/50 when I had more winnings to play with. Currently though I'm just looking to stretch my playtime out as much as I can with $200.
I know it's good to have 10x your average bet, so I figure I can have around $20 on the table at a time. For a warm or hot table I like to do PL with 1x odds and then $6 6 and 8. I take 4 hits and then start pressing out and then up with a take/press progression. If a point is hit I'll take 2-3 hits then continue the press where I left off. Its been pretty fun.
But I need something for when the table is cold that works with my bankroll. I've tried a few and had success with good luck (for me anyone, sorry light siders) but the bankroll requirements are often too high. Lately I've been thinking of doing a $5 Don't pass with 1x odds and placing the 6 and 8 for $6. Two hits and I take them down and wait for the 7/point to be made, then repeat. I really only intend to use this when the table is cold and there are a lot of seven outs. Advice on this? Any suggestions for any other systems to play with while the table is cold on the cheap?
Thanks!
Welcome to the forum. If you want to have an intelligent conversation with any of the math/gambling experts here, the first thing you must learn is that there is NO SUCH THING as a warm or cold table. The result of next roll has NOTHING to do with what the previous rolls were. NOTHING. If you cannot understand and agree with that concept you will gain nothing from the answers you will receive.
If your main goal is to last as long as possible the best bet is table minimum on don't pass. If that is too boring for you then adding the place bets you mention will slightly hasten your exit on average. If you have a different goal, such as doubling your initial stake, that's another discussion.
Currently though I'm just looking to stretch my playtime out as much as I can with $200
Assuming you like to have about $20 on the table, bet $10 on pass or don't pass with 1 x odds. You will have about a 2 in 3 chance of surviving 100 bets, roughly 2 hours of play.
I do like to play 3 numbers including the point, but I'm always looking for other interesting ways to play to have some fun. I'd like to stay the longest, but wouldnt mind doubling my money either. But I have a feeling if I said if I want the best way to double my money you guys would say place it all on the PL and full odds and pray. I would like something though that can develop to money making on a hot roll. like a take/press progression. Just on the darkside if possible.
I'd like to stay the longest, but wouldnt mind doubling my money either if possible.
Problem is, those 2 goals generally have an inverse relationship.Online poker history. Problem is, those 2 goals generally have an inverse relationship.
Figured, which is why I said you'd probably tell me just to make a big PL bet with max odds and pray. Luckily my casino is $5 min.ahiromu
You're already starting at the table minimum and not pressing immediately. These are my generic answers: Start at lower values (like only bet the 6 OR 8) or press less often (not at all). Those are the two options I see.
Don't hedge. Don't hedge. Don't hedge.
I do like to play 3 numbers including the point, but I'm always looking for other interesting ways to play to have some fun. I'd like to stay the longest, but wouldnt mind doubling my money either. But I have a feeling if I said if I want the best way to double my money you guys would say place it all on the PL and full odds and pray. I would like something though that can develop to money making on a hot roll. like a take/press progression. Just on the darkside if possible.
I'd like to stay the longest, but wouldnt mind doubling my money either if possible.
Problem is, those 2 goals generally have an inverse relationship.Online poker history. Problem is, those 2 goals generally have an inverse relationship.
Figured, which is why I said you'd probably tell me just to make a big PL bet with max odds and pray. Luckily my casino is $5 min.ahiromu
You're already starting at the table minimum and not pressing immediately. These are my generic answers: Start at lower values (like only bet the 6 OR 8) or press less often (not at all). Those are the two options I see.
Don't hedge. Don't hedge. Don't hedge.
I do walk away when I lose. I lost a lot of money making stupid bets and not adapting my betting to table conditions, but I do have a loss limit, and I also do have a win limit. which I'm still working on being good with!
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There's evidence in your statement that you are working with several fallacies, one in particular. The glaring one, hot/cold tables, definitely needs to be quashed. Now you said you know that previous rolls don't effect future rolls, but here you are still are talking about 'table conditions'. Sure, it can be proved that the results of what has taken place already can be deemed good or bad, to say it was a hot or cold table if you like, but you cannot say it will be a hot or cold table since the future starts with the next roll. If you could, your bankroll is gigantic compared to what you would need.The fact of the matter is Craps is not a good game to play with an inadequate bankroll. If you stick to just making the Pass line bet with little or no odds, it is a boring game, known to have low variance. The usual experience would be watching your bankroll slowly dwindle with some unexciting, minimal ups and downs along the way. I've never seen anybody stick with that.
If you can't produce a big bankroll all the time, should you gamble at all? There are a lot of factors to look at, and I can't address all of them, but assuming you are not at risk to becoming a gambling addict, I think anyone can still play the same way I assume about anyone can and should indulge in some recreation of some kind. Gambling can be some of the best Escape, something most of us need too. It can be a cheap form of recreation compared to some of the other choices out there, like golf.
In your case, I would have to say what I would do is accept that I can't go all the time. I would save up my money, the amounts which you have already deemed to be expendable, till I had $1000 and go to the table with that. If you balk at that amount, then you are working with another fallacy. It is quite possible that your 'total action' would actually be less doing this than the way you have been doing it.
3 Point Molly Craps Strategy
Craps Strategy Three Point Molly
Buy in, but do not bet until a shooter wins two points in a row. I'm not talking about a 7 winner, or a come bet winner, rather, I mean two come out rolls, where roller then rolls the point.
If you bet and the shooter then 7s out, start the process over for next shooter.
If you want to lower your hourly expected loss some more, when the shooter appears to be a male under the age of 40, do not bet, no matter how many points he makes. Males under the age of 40 are negative expectation craps shooters. This is a fact.
When you do bet, bet only the table minimum and max odds you can afford.
Then order a drink, but specify a top shelf alcohol. For example, don't say ‘martini', say ‘Belvedere martini in a glass'. This is a positive expectation bet compared to the bar or nightclub.
If you're playing this system with a friend, and you're afraid they'll lose discipline and start betting when they shouldn't, then whenever a shooter sevens out, point to the table and say loudly to your friends, ‘oh look at how much money everyone lost'. Then order another drink.
If everyone bet using this system, I guarantee the casinos would lose money offering craps and probably pull every craps game. But people don't have discipline, so that's not going to happen.
